Help me find a place to stretch a tire

[crpwrx]

Im about to put a 225/40/18 on an 18x10. Is that so bad? I'm in Jacksonville nc and can't find a place to put my tires on. Can someone direct me to a place around my area that will do it without fucking the rims up? Everyone I talk to reacts like I have a dick growing out of my face.

[mister hashimoto]

have u tried a mom an pops shop?

[crpwrx]

Yeah, everyone is scared to do it

[240benzo]

hit up the mexi shops! theyll do anything for the right amount of money..i mean..they are here in the country somehow =P

[ABACABB]

Sign a waiver then they should do it.

[crpwrx]

So i called around to like 12 shops in the area and one shop is willing to try. He actually took the time and looked up the sizing for the rim/tire. I explained that it should not be too difficult and that the widest to run the tire is a 9". After that he said an inch shouldnt matter and was excited to see if he could do it haha. Anyways lets see

[240benzo]

sounds like a good place to go if hes excited to see if he can ha

[crpwrx]

Yeah i think he wants to see if he has the skills lol. Ill bring the ligher fluid and a match just in case haah

[HYPHYmoment]

people are pussies

215/35 on a 10. LIKE A BOSS!

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5011/5403683413_e51154b952_o.jpg

[crpwrx]

Holy shit, that is the most badass van i have ever seen. Im gonna take this picture to the dude and tell him the specs lol

[burke420]

goto discount tire in jacksonville. theyll do it, just say i want it done. all they got to do is put it on a machine, change valve, slap tire on, bring over cheetah blaster, and BOOM. throw it in the tire cage and air up & balance... Happy Customer.

[02 camry le]

^^ the sexiest oddyseyy and damn of a stretch

[Jasper Ash]

Do you guys know anyone who will stretch tire in South Florida?

I'm having the same problem as the OP. No one wants to put 215/40's on a 9.5" wide wheel. I've called major shops (waste of time) and I've called some little mom & pop shops around town and it's either the same response. "It's impossible." "We don't want the liability." Or whatever other pussy-a** excuse. It can obviously be done, and as that Odyssey shows, it's nothing. Just need to find someone with the right tools, I guess.

[SHaW]

Holy shit, that is the most badass van i have ever seen. Im gonna take this picture to the dude and tell him the specs lol

Also tell him the rear is 19×12 (-100 offset)

[SHaW]

Do you guys know anyone who will stretch tire in South Florida?

I'm having the same problem as the OP. No one wants to put 215/40's on a 9.5" wide wheel. I've called major shops (waste of time) and I've called some little mom & pop shops around town and it's either the same response. "It's impossible." "We don't want the liability." Or whatever other pussy-a** excuse. It can obviously be done, and as that Odyssey shows, it's nothing. Just need to find someone with the right tools, I guess.

Usually the "Mexican" run shops will do it at leasts that how it is in California and a few other areas. Most all tire places have the tools. It is just that they do not have any experience and are afraid.

[iRick.]

mexican run shops. seriously.

an average tire shop charged me $95 to install and balance 205/40 on a 9 inch wide wheel. they used their cheetah, attempted for THREE HOURS, and finally gave up, refunded my money.

the next day I went to a mexican ghetto beyond ghetto shop. $40 to install and balance. they used their cheetah, I was out of there in THIRTY MINUTES. those guys got down.

[Jasper Ash]

^ Did they damage your wheels at all?

[Bryan6617]

^ bro check your PM..I live in south florida too and might be able to help you out. I forgot to leave my numeber..its 954-940-8478 you can shoot me a text or call to let me know whats up Ill talk to my ppl and see what I can do.

[iRick.]

^ Did they damage your wheels at all?

well that is an issue. you have to make sure they understand to be careful. they destroyed the inside of the lip with the cheetah, but the visible face of the wheel? no its fine.

[240benzo]

my friend took his brand new wheels to a legit shop and the balancer chipped the hub of his wheel and we didnt even notice until we got home with the wheels
you just gota take precautions if you can..tape up what you dont watch scratched..and ima have them put a sock or something over the balancer once i get my wheels mounted after seeing that

[Jasper Ash]

^ bro check your PM..I live in south florida too and might be able to help you out. I forgot to leave my numeber..its 954-940-8478 you can shoot me a text or call to let me know whats up Ill talk to my ppl and see what I can do.

Thanks, man! I'll contact you shortly.

But yeah, now that I'm getting somewhat rare wheels, or so I think, I don't want some shop beating them up. Makes me a little nervous to go to some random shop.

[Hondacivicsi23]

Tire Kingdom did mine. 225/40 ----> 9.5

[RecceDG]

The reason why nobody wants to do it is that it is a seriously bad idea.

Each tire width is designed to fit a certain range of wheel rim widths. If you deviate from this range, you start putting excessive force into the junction between sidewall and the tread face, and the results are unpredictable at best.

DG

farnorthracing.com

[evilchargerfan]

^^^ nice 1st post .... :rolleyes: stretching 225/40 on an 18x10 wheel is a bad idea? omfg ...... get teh fukk outta here son! its been done over and over.

you know whats a "bad idea" ??? giving morons drivers licenses .... :lol:




(seriously tho, you remind me some of the guys over at nasioc ... the function > forum kinda person. this is NOT the place for that)

[KPN8CLN]

^^^^ Maybe he is one of the guys from nasioc LoL Jk

[evilchargerfan]

judging by his website/sig hes a dsm guy. another haven for fuction > form :lol:

[RecceDG]

I'm an ex pro race driver and engineer. I have no particular allegiance to any make or model; I use whatever gets the job done. I had a lot of success with DSMs, but I've wrenched and driven Corvettes, Porsches, Vipers... you name it.

Guys, I'll be the first to say that many, many people do things for fashion reasons. Even on real race teams, decisions occasionally get made because "it looks cool" or "everybody else is doing it so we should too" even if the underlying reasons for doing whatever "it" is are poorly understood.

If you want to do something for fashion reasons.... hey, it's your money. Knock yourself out.

And not everything that makes a car go faster has to be ugly. There are many, many things that can be done that both look cool and *work*.

"Stretching" is not one of them. It loads the tire in ways that were never intended and runs a very real risk of catastrophic separation between the tread face and the sidewall. At speed, that means the tire exploding off the rim. If the tire is at all loaded at the time - like in a turn - it means "hello wall".

Nothing good has ever come from an exploding tire. It is dangerous. And not a good kind of dangerous, the stupid kind of dangerous.

Thus, the extreme reluctance of tire shops to stretch tires. They know better, and most won't help you be stupid.

Now, if you want to learn how to look cool AND go fast, I can help with that. Just ask.

DG

[dubber]

You seem like you know what you are talkin about, very mature and educated responses. I havnt seen much issue with stretched tires personally, but there are special circumstances in every case.

I know you are just trying to help here, but I don't think this is your type of forum. It's like me going to a NASCAR forum and telling everyone to stretch tires because I think it's cool (although it would be funny). Enjoy your stay here but this is a very specialized forum, as you might can tell.

[crpwrx]

Me like stretch tire on teh wide rim

[HYPHYmoment]

The reason why nobody wants to do it is that it is a seriously bad idea.

Each tire width is designed to fit a certain range of wheel rim widths. If you deviate from this range, you start putting excessive force into the junction between sidewall and the tread face, and the results are unpredictable at best.

DG

farnorthracing.com

must be from cfc.

my brother seems to do fine with stretched tires while drifting... hmm


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[evilchargerfan]

I'm sure recce has good intentions abbitt.

as dubber stated ... enjoy your stay here. you'll quickly find out that wfc is not your avg forum. most heads on here are pretty educated on what's good/what's not and what's safe/unsafe .... etc etc. I'm curious to see your vision of lookin cool and bein functional :)


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[Hayseed]

To somewhat deviate back on to topic, I find it strange that Discount Tire is willing to stretch 205/40's on a 17x9. Not a massive stretch but I went in they said "Well, we can try!" If they don't pan out, mexi-shop hells yes.

[miracle max]

thats a great idea to tape em up.

[RecceDG]

I know you are just trying to help here, but I don't think this is your type of forum. It's like me going to a NASCAR forum and telling everyone to stretch tires because I think it's cool (although it would be funny). Enjoy your stay here but this is a very specialized forum, as you might can tell.

What I have been seeing a lot of lately in the places I hang out are kids starting threads like "Do you like STANCE?" or "Hellaflush my xxx" - at which time they get jumped all over by guys who have been building and racing cars since before they were born. Soon after, they get all pissy-faced and run away.

This is nothing new. Man, I made a TON of money when import drag racing first kicked off, because none of the kids understood how bracket racing worked, and even better, they would cop attitude when an old-timer tried to help them out. Cutting 1.5 second R/Ts and dialins a full second faster than the car could run in a tailwind and a downhill track made for a lot of "W" for me.

Do you guys remember when the Import thing first hit in the late 90's? All the Hondas just HAD to have black steel wheels up front, because they saw all the racers with them. What they didn't understand was that the racers were starting to experiment with drag slicks, but were unable or unwilling to invest in expensive wheels to fit slicks that may or may not work. So they stocked up on cheap steel wheels to try before finally committing to decent wheels. But the kids just saw that all their heroes had steel wheels, thought it was the hot ticket, and bought them for "monkey-see, monkey-do".

I see a LOT of that in "hellaflush". All y'all are picking up on some real race car styling cues, exaggerating them, but don't understand why the race car was doing that in the first place (and I don't blame you - a lot of racers don't understand either) and in so doing, you are hurting the performance of your cars and in some cases, putting life and limb at risk.

There are better ways to do it. I'm going out on a limb here with my eternal optimism and seeing if I can't kick off a new movement, one that combines form AND function without hurting either.


my brother seems to do fine with stretched tires while drifting... hmm

Here's drifting's dirty little secret (I've built a couple of drift cars) A drift car is set up to have as little grip as possible, but retain some degree of controllability when it is skating around. EVERYTHING about a real drift car is about breaking wheels loose as soon as possible and making the car all skatey. I have seen drift cars with no springs - just steel bars where the coliovers used to be. A real drift car can be put into a drift and driven sideways by a monkey. A race car can also drift if pushed hard enough, but it has to be pushed VERY VERY hard and there needs to be some recovery room because race tires tend to break loose very abruptly.

This is why you see so many accidents when kids try and drift on the street. The car simply is not set up to do it.

Plus, those tires only need to last, at best, one event. They may even get replaced run to run. They are *disposable*. And really, what happens if a tire delaminates in competition? He slides into the wall and the crowd goes wild.

Can *you* afford to do that?

DG

[crpwrx]

Okay okay. This is the reason why WFC was made, to get away from discussions like this that have been beat to all shit. WE UNDERSTAND BUT DONT CARE. It is a personal choice to do what we do and if you dont think its right then get the fuck over it and dont look at it. kthanksby

[b00duh]

I like how you state your points, RecceDG. Very educated and you don't things personal.

In my personal opinion, I think that if you stretch a tire without a retarded amount of stretch, it should be okay. I live up in Canada and run 215/40's on a 9 inch wide rims which isn't a lot, but I feel that it is safe enough where I won't blow a bead everytime I hit damn potholes, which almost every street here has. Like, the people in Japan are ballsy for the amount of stretch they run, but they almost have perfect road conditions for it whereas where I live doesn't.

[HYPHYmoment]

Here's drifting's dirty little secret (I've built a couple of drift cars) A drift car is set up to have as little grip as possible, but retain some degree of controllability when it is skating around. EVERYTHING about a real drift car is about breaking wheels loose as soon as possible and making the car all skatey. I have seen drift cars with no springs - just steel bars where the coliovers used to be. A real drift car can be put into a drift and driven sideways by a monkey. A race car can also drift if pushed hard enough, but it has to be pushed VERY VERY hard and there needs to be some recovery room because race tires tend to break loose very abruptly.

This is why you see so many accidents when kids try and drift on the street. The car simply is not set up to do it.

Plus, those tires only need to last, at best, one event. They may even get replaced run to run. They are *disposable*. And really, what happens if a tire delaminates in competition? He slides into the wall and the crowd goes wild.

Can *you* afford to do that?

DG

well my brother is also a professional drifter and has his license. Mad Mike runs super stretched tires and drifts on them. He also is a formula D driver.

Drifting is actually a lot about grip... which is what most people are going for nowadays anyway.

eh most drifting tires usually are not meant to last anyways. they burn them out. and flip them. burn em out. and put new ones on..

thats why drifting is so expensive.

[Slamajama]

What I have been seeing a lot of lately in the places I hang out are kids starting threads like "Do you like STANCE?" or "Hellaflush my xxx" - at which time they get jumped all over by guys who have been building and racing cars since before they were born. Soon after, they get all pissy-faced and run away.

This is nothing new. Man, I made a TON of money when import drag racing first kicked off, because none of the kids understood how bracket racing worked, and even better, they would cop attitude when an old-timer tried to help them out. Cutting 1.5 second R/Ts and dialins a full second faster than the car could run in a tailwind and a downhill track made for a lot of "W" for me.

Do you guys remember when the Import thing first hit in the late 90's? All the Hondas just HAD to have black steel wheels up front, because they saw all the racers with them. What they didn't understand was that the racers were starting to experiment with drag slicks, but were unable or unwilling to invest in expensive wheels to fit slicks that may or may not work. So they stocked up on cheap steel wheels to try before finally committing to decent wheels. But the kids just saw that all their heroes had steel wheels, thought it was the hot ticket, and bought them for "monkey-see, monkey-do".

I see a LOT of that in "hellaflush". All y'all are picking up on some real race car styling cues, exaggerating them, but don't understand why the race car was doing that in the first place (and I don't blame you - a lot of racers don't understand either) and in so doing, you are hurting the performance of your cars and in some cases, putting life and limb at risk.

There are better ways to do it. I'm going out on a limb here with my eternal optimism and seeing if I can't kick off a new movement, one that combines form AND function without hurting either.


DG

Why did you even join this forum? just to hate? I know you are just trying to help, but as stated this was just our personal decision.

I do respect you for trying to be informative though.

[Jasper Ash]

He's definitely got some good points. But this really isn't a forum for you. In no way at all.

[evilchargerfan]

ok guys lets get this thread back on topic and end this discussion. this thread was made by the op for a reason


reccedg, i respect your opinion and your knowledge. may i suggest starting some threads for yourself (once u hit the proper post count) and then educating people the proper way ... in your own thread

[Calitri-Boost]

Might be time for "clean up"

[Slamajama]

I really have no idea where you can get it done. You should make friends with someone at a tire shop so they can totally hook you up. :D alot of places "can" do it but don't want to because i think it's a bit of a hassle.